Ep. 98: Another Saturday Night Review

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We have guests Todd from “That Other Masonic Podcast and Andrew from “Time for Fellowship Masonic Podcast”
We review a video from the podcast Camp Gagnon who had on comedian and conspiracy theorist Kurt Metzger. Metzger talks a lot about freemasonry and his wide range of conspiracies of the world. Its another Saturday night review with drinks and fellowship for your entertainment 🍻

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Camp Gagnon: Hollywood's DARKEST Occult Secrets Revealed
https://youtu.be/2-fjpqsaNaw?si=qsBQ9NX2LX_M7MWi

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SPEAKER_13 0:00

Uh I know he's kind of homies with like some of the gaps digital guys and uh you know he's got a Roman show with kind of uh homies with like Sam Tripoli. I think he's got another show with tri uh Sam Tripoli as well.

SPEAKER_08 0:12

I bet he's gonna have some really wise words for us, then.

SPEAKER_13 0:15

I I just yeah the connections to it, I just don't get aware of the world domination in these connections and like how and the the connection to they, you know, today the day. Yeah, yeah. It's nice to have a mythical boogeyman, but what's so satanic about teaching children about Pythagoras and mathematics? I'm just not understanding where that knowledge is evil, Brock. Knowledge is evil. Uh problem right now, I thought, where like nobody knows anything, so I think a little bit of uh math magic is okay.

SPEAKER_08 0:54

Just saying you should just believe in the religion because that's what you should do to the full percent, and everything they say should be a truth. That's where you get manipulated, and that's a problem. And so I don't think there's anything wrong with having a spirituality included within your religion where you don't just say everything that they say is true all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

If you don't understand it or you can't explain it, it it must be evil, right? Oh, dude, it's been that way for thousands of years. Could it be wrong? Four of the 20 members of this particular offshoot lodge or former lodge were Freemasons. Now, does that excuse anything? No.

SPEAKER_08 1:34

I did do a fact check to see if Herod Agrippa do Caligula.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

He has nothing behind his eyes. There's no brain scale behind his eyeballs.

SPEAKER_07 1:45

There's like a dial-up, a dial-up noise going on right now.

SPEAKER_13 1:51

Yeah, yeah. Elron Hubbard, I don't even know if there's anything like I don't even know if I want to say anything about that. Yeah, that's probably not a road I want to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Yeah, what we do in Freemasonry, I I'm not saying is magic, you're gonna see something, there, you know, there's gonna be an appearance of this, that, or the other, but it can be quite magical in that the experience changes people for the better. Isn't it the human thing that once you find out one person is a member of this group, you blame the whole organization for everything that person is capable of?

SPEAKER_06 2:26

I don't understand anything he said this whole time.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

The music question is we didn't take those of the host and yes, and do not represent the views of any logic to anybody or any other person or person who's nope, he's just looking at me like, huh?

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Well, all right, welcome everyone to the At Refresh Masonic Video Podcast. I am your host, Wesley Ruder, and I am here with Brock and with two very special guests from two very different podcasts. Please welcome Andrew from Time from Fellowship and Todd from that other Masonic podcast. Welcome, guys. How do I do? We appreciate you guys coming on and having some uh drinks with us in this late hour of uh Saturday night. Or should I make it a different night so we don't seem like we're you know losers? Hey, I feel like this is even cooler than it's a Saturday.

SPEAKER_13 3:30

This is a pretty cool Saturday, yeah. I was like, I'm down with this. We're like three states of Freemasonry here, dude.

SPEAKER_08 3:37

If you'd want to make us sound worse, you'd say, Happy Monday, boys. Cheers, get your cocktails going and be like, wow, these guys through their week in different ways.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

Yeah, we wanted to start it off the work week with a drink and uh go from there. Start on Monday, continue to Sunday. Yeah, let's go. Monday's weekend. So uh Brock and myself and Todd, we've been doing this for the last couple weeks. Not not everything has been recorded for an episode, but no, this might be a typical Saturday thing now, I think. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

It's pretty fun.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

It's fun, and uh believe we're gonna have some fun here tonight as well. I'm so scared. Oh boy, oh boy. Well, uh it's not gonna be too scary. It's nothing, it's just opinion-based. We're gonna do another re video review, and I think I found the perfect crazy for our show. Oh, perfect. So the perfect crazy Kurt. Yep. This uh Kurt Metzger is his name, I believe, correct?

SPEAKER_13 4:52

Yeah, Kurt.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_13 4:55

Yeah, he's uh pretty good uh comedian. Uh I know he's kind of homies with like some of the gas digital guys, and uh you know he's got a homies with like Sam Tripoli. I think he's got another show with uh Sam Tripoli as well.

SPEAKER_08 5:10

Yeah, I bet he's gonna have some really wise words for us then. Yeah, he's got Todd, are you familiar with him?

SPEAKER_04 5:20

Yeah, I've I've I've seen him on Rogan several times, and he's got some opinions, I'll give him that. Well, he was on Rogan?

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

Oh yeah, several times. Yeah, he's he's uh he's been at the mothership and everything at Rogan's uh uh comedy place out there in Austin. He's down there quite a bit. He lives in Austin, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_06 5:40

Don't they all know?

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Pretty much. Yeah, so um no, no, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 5:48

Yeah, I think I think Bert Kreiser is the only big comedian that doesn't live in Austin right now.

SPEAKER_08 5:54

He's still in LA, so that's if we consider Bert uh big comedian. Well, yeah, both ways, but I like him. I know, I'm just teasing. Well, my joke is everyone gets to make fun of Bert.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

Yeah, my understanding is that um Metzger is he's a comedian. That's his it's his thing, right?

SPEAKER_13 6:16

Yeah, he just started a conspiracy podcast maybe a year ago or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Okay, so all that's secondary.

SPEAKER_13 6:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is something he's kind of I mean, he's probably always been into it, but this is something he's like way more public and open about it now.

SPEAKER_08 6:32

Okay, all right. And shout out to the Miller High Life sign up there, though. Shout that outside of pride, baby.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Yeah, I gotta show I gotta show that to our fraternal brother, uh Tony Mayer. Uh he's gonna be like, what? He has all these old beer signs, uh yeah. Um, I think he'll be looking for that.

SPEAKER_13 6:54

Yeah, this dude has a cool podcast set, cameras are sharp, you know. I mean, uh I listened to this dude's Crowley episode, and um, I mean, he didn't talk a lot of crazy stuff. I mean, he talked a lot of like random stuff about his mom that I'm like, I'm not really sure where the facts are about that or whoever wrote that, how true those facts are. I I mean, I don't think his mom ever wrote a book about her opinions on her son being the Antichrist, but I think it's a very common story.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

But I will admit I am not familiar with the podcast. It popped up on the at refreshment YouTube feed, and I'm like, okay, let's see what this is all about. So it's Camp Uh Gagan, Gagan.

SPEAKER_13 7:37

Um, and anytime I see something with Freemasonry in the title, you're like, oh shoot, I I should probably check this out.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Well, yeah, it didn't have Freemasonry in the title, but it did have it in the thumbnail. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 7:49

Yeah, it was in a thumbnail clip. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Um, so I got about 17 minutes in, and I'm like, okay, this is something we have to review. Uh I don't want to go off on ad hominins, but I'm you know, let me just play the video.

SPEAKER_05 8:11

Don't go fast, don't song. All right, go back a little bit. Go back a little bit. Okay, now make that big screen. He's gonna he brought this to my attention. I had never heard of this.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Known as the Pythagoreans.

SPEAKER_05 8:24

This is a nice layer to do it.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Oh, yeah. Let's see what the topic is for today.

SPEAKER_13 8:38

Yeah, oh yeah. God, I love L.C. Math Magic Land. This is like a podcast of watching a podcast, watch MathMagic.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

A podcast watching a podcast, watching a podcast.

SPEAKER_08 8:52

Dude, I want to do a podcast episode just watching Math Magic Land.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_08 8:57

Shout out to my other sponsor, Math Magic Land. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

It was our old friend Pythagoras who discovered that the pentagram was full of math and magic. Math and magic. The two shorter lines combined, exactly in the middle of the room. The second and third line equal the fourth. Once again we have the golden section.

SPEAKER_04 9:23

Golden ratio.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

But this is only the beginning. Hidden within the pentagram is a secret for creating a golden rectangle, which the Greeks are beautiful proportions and magic qualities.

SPEAKER_05 9:33

Oh, like a boy's ass. Oh, the Pentagon. That's the Pentagon of America, isn't it? A resonant structure of a kind, isn't it? Yeah, there's a devil fucking country full of scumbags.

SPEAKER_06 9:54

Oh, yeah, hell yeah. An ad.

SPEAKER_09 9:58

The music's what makes it good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of nice. You gotta add that. So I've never seen that before.

SPEAKER_05 10:05

Yeah, me either. He showed it to me. Oh, he's way more than that. Way more. Yo, uh, put on Tracy Twyman, Minnie's Moose. The secret of Minnie's Moose.

SPEAKER_13 10:18

Uh so Tracy Twyman's a G, dude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

Okay. What gets me here is, you know, he's he's gonna explain everything that was just seen. If you listen to earlier, you know, that's why they're they're going to it. But then he goes off into another tangent, and that's most of what the video is. He's like, he says a few things and then he goes off into a tangent about it, and then something else comes to mind, and then he goes off to that. You don't really get too many clear answers.

SPEAKER_13 10:49

Yeah, I mean, I that's just kind of his interview style, I think. Uh, I've heard him on a few other shows, uh, on conspiracy shows and stuff, kind of hyping up his podcast or being interviewed by other people. And I mean, it's just kind of his thing, you know, when you're new to it and you just want to tell everybody about all the different stuff that you've discovered and know, so you're kind of just schizo all over the place, like, oh my god, you know this. Well, why I'm telling you about that? Do you know that this is this and this and this? But like when you start drawing lines together and like correlating things that you know, you're just like at the bottom of a thought, picking up on another thought and then linking them, you start losing where the evidence and the real connections are actually connecting these things, you know, because some of these actually like uh, you know, I'm not really sure where that connects at. But what's so satanic about teaching children about Pythagoras and mathematics? I'm just not understanding where that our knowledge is evil, Brock. Uh problem right now, I thought, where like nobody knows anything. So I think a little bit of uh math magic is okay.

SPEAKER_08 11:59

I mean, haven't you guys figured out that reading is satanic? You can't read that. You can read bad things, so don't read.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

When you spell words, you're actually, you know, spelling. That's why they call it spelling.

SPEAKER_08 12:11

Did you know that the American the English alphabet is based on the Phoenician and they are pagans? So it is actually a satanic alphabet.

unknown 12:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 12:20

Yeah, no phenomenon. That's how it sounds weird in these guys.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

And you're like, whoa, whoa. It's if you if you don't understand it or you can't explain it, it it must be evil, right?

SPEAKER_08 12:33

Oh, it's been that way for thousands of years.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Can it be wrong? It's kept us alive this long. Yeah. Don't go into the cave. I you know, it's so I mean there's more of that, but you know, the the math uh Donald Duck in Math Magic Land, uh is always very interesting. I I like watching it, but the thing is, and the way it's perceived is that symbol on Donald's hand. Okay, it doesn't matter what the symbol is, it's the way you interpret it. And if you're gonna interpret it evil, of course it's gonna be evil. But if you interpret it, it's just you know, uh a math thing, like a tattoo, like, hey, I'm part of this math thing, and you know, whatever. I and I'm trying to be like really simple about it. Why is it evil?

SPEAKER_08 13:35

Well, it's interesting is the video explains what it means. That's the cool part about math math plan. And the thing is, what stresses me out with the conspiracy crowds, especially about the the pedagram, is when that symbolism, the good and evil versions of it, was made, people understood. Well, those who were using it understood what it meant. So if it was upward, it was a good symbol. And if it was downward, it was considered an earthly or what they would interpret as more of a satanic symbol. It's just like an inverted cross. So, like, let's say, for example, in Math Magicland, they showed an upward cross and they said, But did you know? And they flip it upside down, like the cross is satanic, and you're like, okay. So the stupid thing about it that pains me is they get all upset, but they don't actually do the research on the symbol itself to understand the context of the time. They take a symbol that's from pre, you know, um any sort of theology on any of this that they could pull from, and then they take it from the modern era and they shove it back in that time and go, Satanism. It's like we didn't even know about Satan back then, so you can't just do that, but they'll just do it anyways.

SPEAKER_04 14:49

Well, it makes no, it's like uh down here at French League, at the French Lake uh resort down here, on the railings they had the swastika's cast into it. Well, that that resort was built like in 1910, 1920, or something like that. Well, before that, the swastika was all about health and healing. Had nothing to do with evil, but now they got them all covered up because people saw them and they they automatically thought evil. Well, it's it's whatever you know that symbol to be, whether it's evil or good. It's the swastika's been around for millennia. I mean, they they found it in on Buddhist temples, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_13 15:28

Did they take it out of the lodge or they leave it?

SPEAKER_04 15:31

What the swastika? It was it's it's still it's still on the railings, but they covered them up with like this little little cover or something like that.

SPEAKER_08 15:39

Oh wow. And and Todd, to your point, if it was a Buddhist temple, you can still use it now. But if you're just a random being like, I like how that looks, uh probably not. Probably don't.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

It's like you say, if you know what it means. If if you understand it as health and healing, then yeah, it's good. But if you understand only as Nazi and hate and you know extermination, yeah, of course you're gonna think it's evil. You know, that's what we know now.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Yeah. So I came across this TikTok video, and uh it was about pottery, and then it turned into about cutting stone and and wood cutting. And then I'm like, oh man, this is pretty interesting. The guy started putting everything together. It's an ancient technique that I guess they've been around for centuries. The this company, this tea manufacturing company, okay. And then all of a sudden the guy's putting the tea plate together and it turns into like a swastika symbol, like all over the place. And I watch the whole video, I it's just it's just a tea thing, an Asian tea table, okay. I go into comments and right away, oh, anybody see that symbol? Oh my gosh, everything's evil, blah blah blah. And it's like, oh no. This is an ancient tradition, as it says, okay. This tea company that has been making these things for thousands of years, okay, been using that symbol for thousands of years, it doesn't mean what you think it means to them. Stop putting your stupid influence into everything.

SPEAKER_08 17:21

I mean, I think you're bringing up a fair point, and the key understanding is like there's a uh selective the symbol has been so corrupted by a party that you know takes ancient symbols to justify its nationalist and crazy agenda, right? And it goes, I'm gonna do some evil stuff with this symbol. And then everyone who is using it, which has been around the almost the entire globe, is like, well, really screwed me over on one of my favorite symbols. Thanks, bud. So I think now you it's pretty easy to say if it's something that's an Eastern you know technique using it, I think it's still fine. But in the West, we know better as far as for within our context, you're like, hey, I'm not gonna do it because I understand the connotation, but why would I start using it now if my people haven't been using it for 3,000 years? You guys have it on your Jane Temple, that's fine because it's it's it's a whole different world.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

That's our perception because when I seen it, I'm like, oh my gosh, of course, my mind went right to that. Okay, that's what it means. That no, but no, no, no, no. I'm watching something different. I've got to tell myself, you don't you don't need to be shocked. Remember, you're watching something that's older than Nazi history.

SPEAKER_13 18:34

Yeah, I can't wait till they watch this video and they do a society used to use it as well, uh, and they were founded in uh 1888, so you know it that was long before, but they uh um they've since kind of altered theirs as well, you know. They don't use it the full-on way, you know, that they have like a different curved edge thing, and they it's all redone, so it's slightly different now, and I think it's mirrored too. It's they got it completely different, but what's this weirdo gotta say? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:11

He's dead now. It says in the thing, who is this was written by who's dead now? It's like from 19 fucking, I don't know, it's from a long time ago. The dissipation, you know, like dissipate. And it's the origin of the secret origin of the Freemasons. Now, I might have dismissed this book had I come across it, not knowing all the shit I know now. But um, Mark Windows made me aware of it on his channel. So it's the story. So Herod Agrippa, remember that guy, the third, he's the one that um his grandpa killed all the firstborn in Bethlehem to try to get Jesus. Right. These fucking Satan bloodlines, and I'm saying as a catch-all, they're not, you know, they worship Baal and fucking the Marquis of Hell and Arden Delaware's where they worship the Marquis of Hell. There's supposedly a lot of those, but I don't know which specific one I'm gonna find out from Jay Parker, but fucked up down. So uh Herod is the one that he died. From the inside out by worms inside him while he's boasting in the Bible. I think it's in Luke. I don't know what the scripture is by Herod Agrippa. A good friend of Herod Agrippa. Oh, he was a good friend of uh Caligula. He was one of Caligula's like like pals. Wow.

SPEAKER_07 20:20

Okay, god damn, we're in a whiny road. Yeah, like oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

Okay, definitely wait, wait, a couple things that I want you guys to to comment on on all of it and go off on your own thing. One he keeps going on and on and on, and the host here just oh, yeah, wow. Really? I'm like, is he just I don't know if that's his personality, if this is a comedy bit, or if he's just patronizing him, or if he's thinking, guy, I don't want to disagree with you because I don't want you to fucking kill me.

SPEAKER_13 20:54

I hate to put something on this other podcaster dude, but I want to say he back in the day, I thought he used to do like stonery, like wannabe like vice kind of stuff, but I can't remember off off offhand real quick, but uh what he did before this podcast. But I remember he did some other YouTube show or something like that before this podcast.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

I'm just like there there's there's no challenge into anything here, and there's no okay. I like I seen uh Metzger on uh Danny Jones, and Danny Jones will like explain yourself, you know. You stop, hold on, let's bring this together and explain because you just went off into like five different things, and I asked you one question.

SPEAKER_08 21:36

I think that you're you're exactly on the money that that word vomit that just got thrown up on this guy's face. He's just like, Oh wow, what did this guy say to me? Like he's like even me, I was happy to listen so closely to try to like follow like what Brock was talking about this chain of like we got Herod over here, but he's a Satanist, but also well, I guess Baal, but same, same, and we're gonna come down here. And then you know Caligula, and you're like, oh so he's sitting there with the same face I'd have and be like, oh, whoa, where you're like, wait, you don't even have time to process what he's talking about because you're like, it's just word vomit.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

I like it, but how did Herod know Caligula?

SPEAKER_08 22:18

He doesn't get to explain that.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

No, it's and and what didn't he have to host this show? Yeah, I know that's what I want to know.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

Where does Freemasonry come into this?

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Todd, what what did Freemasonry have to do with all that?

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Well, I think you'd get to the point. One of those guys is he's saying it's the guy who invented Freemasonry, and it wasn't Freemasonry wasn't invented by the Mason itself. It's by if you let it keep going, he talks about how it's a group of people came together and hired him, old Buell or something like that, got replaced for another hire we all know. And it's it's all like a big buddy buddy, good old boys kind of thing, I guess. It's very hard to keep track of what he's talking about. This host, I think he's holding off for dear life. I don't think he knows a word this guy's saying. He's just holding on for dear life. So I don't know what's going on with this, but this is about as far as I got on it, and I had to shut it off because Rambling of a madman is all it is.

SPEAKER_08 23:25

Yeah, I did do a fact check to see if Herod Agrippa knew Caligula. So he did, and they were friends, it was helpful. So that part's true. I don't know what it mattered in the story that he was telling. Right. He did know Caligula.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

So there's that. I mean, that's a surprise to me, which is fine. I'm not I do not claim to be right on everything, but you know, it's just like, okay, he knew him. Great. What does that have to do with them and Freemasonry?

SPEAKER_13 23:56

Well, I would just yeah, now that I know that it's correct, I'd like to know where that point was going or what what the correlation was with that.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

And he was also yep. I'm sure that he is some of the things that he's saying are true, are partly true, half true, and 100% true. And then there's gonna be other things that are just false.

SPEAKER_13 24:18

I mean, he's just bringing everything together, it's the red string conspiracy, but yeah, I just don't know what I would 100% have her metzger on our podcast just to uh I don't know. Let him stand up for himself, you know.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Uh did have you heard him? Did you listen to this whole podcast?

SPEAKER_13 24:40

Oh, dude, I remember years ago he got into a fight with like Louis J. Gomez at a comedy club, and like they were like homies, and they still were gonna like throw down and fight, so I don't even know.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Oh, some of the things that he says in here, um, if people really took him seriously, he could probably get into some legal trouble.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:00

Oh, he doesn't uh yeah, he he uh really tears people down on this one.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Yeah, um saying certain he's glad certain groups are dead. We should oh wow in a roundabout way we should still be dead.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Oh, nice, nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Uh and crimes, let's go. Yeah, you know, no, no, no. I don't think he says it about Freemasonry. I I caught it, I didn't save it because I I don't want to be drinking and get upset about that.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

I'm trying not to make anything ad hominem because I just think he has a lot of information but is still misinformed in how he's putting it together.

SPEAKER_13 25:41

Yeah. That's because you're scared back to ad hominem.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Yeah, sorry, we'll cut that out of there. Yeah, we'll cut that out. I don't need to. You can leave it. We can be ad hominem.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

We can just acknowledge that.

SPEAKER_13 25:54

We can acknowledge it still.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

I didn't want to be. I mean, you guys can be. I'm you know.

SPEAKER_13 25:59

No, we're cutting that out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

No, we're not. All right.

SPEAKER_04 26:05

Send something into my house.

SPEAKER_07 26:07

All right.

SPEAKER_04 26:09

He has nothing behind his eyes. There's no, there's not a brain cell behind his eyeballs.

SPEAKER_07 26:14

There's like a dial-up, a dial-up noise going on right now. We're just trying to process what's happening to him. A loading symbol. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Yeah, it's for Gazi. All right. All right. So here's the next clip. It just they so happen to run into each other.

SPEAKER_05 26:33

Killing his coke buddies, you could say I I would characterize him as? No way. Hardcore sigil magic guy found out from Nathan Gillis, uh, Nathaniel Gillis, who uh my fans call Smart Chain. And um, these are all I'm just telling you things I pieced together from random because you get the information in little bits. Yeah, okay. Um so the he's the guy who invented the Mason. They weren't called Freemasons yet. I think they called the Masons, okay? Um his group and one of his friends, Hiram A-B-I-O-U-L, a Buell, who was like killed by like wild dog. Like, you know, back then that's a thing that could happen, like he was killed by dogs.

SPEAKER_10 27:14

Yeah, yeah, the dogs got him.

SPEAKER_05 27:15

They weren't dog beautiful back then because they would just be killed, you know, or like a lion, you know, shit like that. Yeah, yeah. So it's a tribute to the friend. That's what the Hiram Abiff nonsense is. Hiram Abiff is Hiram Abuell.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Can I just say something real quick? I have never once seen him smoke that pipe.

SPEAKER_05 27:30

Oh, the line is in a biff. Well, just the way St. Ann and Epstein came up with QAnon, Herod Agrippa and his eight friends, they called themselves the nine. That's the part that really sticks out in the book. They were called the nine. Find this book for free online. You ever hear of the nine? I bet they've popped up in some of your uh things you've looked into, haven't they?

SPEAKER_03 27:51

I know the nine as ghoul in Lord of the Rings, but I'm in I know that nine original years of the same crew.

SPEAKER_08 28:01

That's all I've ever heard, nine were I have just never heard of the nine, nor and as somebody who's a fan of history and study it, I'd be very surprised if that type of detail was actually recorded.

SPEAKER_13 28:16

Anywhere there's like a council of nine of like um oh, I can't really remember. It was like this um oh man, I could be getting this confused, but I think there were there was like a council of people with inside the Pentagon who thought that aliens were demons or something crazy, and they were like trying to keep the government from investigating that, and so they had this council, and um I don't even remember the name of the council, but I thought there was nine that were in this council, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

You know, I I don't even know what he calls them, he just calls them the nine, and I I tried looking it up with uh with Grok and it it just comes up with fantasy stuff, so I don't know. I I don't want to completely discount what he's saying because I think he does refer to like the nine something earlier in the podcast, and I just I didn't link it towards all this, so uh and I'm not gonna run through it right now. But the council of nine, the nice of the thing.

SPEAKER_08 29:32

A nice, a nice I know that like the Council of Nine thing is like a popular conspiracy thing that people like to bring up. But I think I you know, I think what the source that we have that's the most accurate on Herod Agrippa's Josephus. I I don't think that a I'd just be very surprised if they had something called the Nine. Oh, and that was the Nine? Like, I don't know. Yeah, I I would be very surprised. I don't have any details on it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

The only thing I know, like I said, the the Nazgul from the uh Lord of the Rings. It's the only time I've ever heard of and not in anything, any other fantasy realm or story. Do I recall like the nine of something, or you know, there was the the fellowship, but again, that's Lord of the Rings. That's all Lord of the Rings lore.

SPEAKER_08 30:29

Yeah, what already strikes me is that like where he's starting to fall off of reality is where some Masons have fallen off reality is the belief that we are direct descendants from Herod's time, that there is an unbroken connection, so that you could blame us for something that Herod did because they made a group called Masons. Because Herod did, if I'm remembering correctly, take part in some part of the temple process or one of the temples, right? Like I think it was he built the second temple. Yeah, and so they're gonna say, Well, we use that myth to connect to that, and we're connected from them onward, and so from the beginning it's connected to Ball or something like that, but then it's also the fallacies right in the room where modern historians could very easily say, like, no, that's not where we came from. Every craft guild uh took some sort of mythos to some sort of holy myth mythological story that they use as uh to teach allegory. And so right off the bat, you're you're starting on shaky ground and going, but now I'm gonna blow your mind if you read this book.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Right. And I I listened to some history stuff, uh biblical things here and there, uh, some of it pro and some of it atheist. And some of the historians are now rethinking ball, that ball may just actually be a generic word for God. Deities, yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_13 32:01

So a certain type of deities, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

You know, the minds that study this know better than I do. It's just something I'm hearing about. And it's interesting how we're looking at things in a different lens nowadays than we did back then. You know, if it said this, oh, that's what it meant. Even if it may have hinted towards something else, no, no, no, no, no. The greater majority of the words hint towards this, and that's it. That's the end of it. I think we can just get to the facts better now.

SPEAKER_13 32:28

You know, we know what the facts are, we can do the research and we can translate the text and do a better look at like context.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Again, like a majority of everything. Okay, if ball is bad, okay, if ball means bad deity, okay. Here's all the literature that says this, but in this one instance, now that's a nuance, and it's making it a little bit different, but in but we're using it in the same contents context for this god, so that we're looking at different because now other literature may point to that being the case.

SPEAKER_08 33:03

Well, and when you think about it too, when you're looking at what we have now, like you know how we were talking at the start of the episode about how for a long time the tried and tude method is things we didn't understand that didn't fit the framework were just automatically considered evil. Um for ball, and I mean the big reason that the Christianity has the issue with Ball is because of that showdown between you know Adam and I and Ball and the sacrifice, and they're like, You're God's fake bro, or something, and they're like, Yeah, and they just like around here. Yeah, but the thing was is when you look at you know, with modern studies, like you're saying, like, you know, they have a huge, lengthy, great YouTube video by Religion for Breakfast, which is an amazing YouTube channel by a theological scholar, as well as uh, you know, I like Dan McClellan as well, a biblical scholar, talking about like just like what you said, that they're like the cult the religious landscape of the Holy Land at that time was significantly more complex. And uh essentially any deity that was not the god of Israel was slowly as the Israelites became more and more monotheistic, was like, how do we how do we figure out what to do with these then? And they were like, Oh, demons.

SPEAKER_06 34:15

And you're like, sorted, and you're like, we figured it. And so it's just an easy way to get there.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Yeah, simple simple solution.

SPEAKER_06 34:25

Demons everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Yeah. I like it. Um, all right, let me get to this next what else we got. I'm getting it there. This guy goes off by two more hours. Yeah, I'm not going through all two hours. It's he's just oh my god. Just way too much.

SPEAKER_08 34:54

We make it to the end of the two hours. Does it all make sense suddenly?

SPEAKER_03 34:57

Well, okay, it I got maybe, maybe, because I got this clip and I got three more after this one, and I do have uh maybe a couple other things. Uh, but let me get that later.

SPEAKER_05 35:12

And your race?

SPEAKER_10 35:13

Yeah, yeah. It makes so much sense.

SPEAKER_05 35:15

Christianity is not a uh a racial traditionalist, whatever the fuck these morons that say this shit, that's not what it is. The appeal was the losers, the ones you call cattle if you were rich and snotty, and also me, a lot of the time, I'm probably gonna do it several more times on your show with these people. I don't even know who I'm talking to, right? Um, the appeal of it is that everybody is involved, and why don't you, you know, the the whole world is run by Satan, is is the teaching of Christianity. So you ever see like these Christian, like, oh, could we be in the little season of you know, they do like revelation? The little season? What the fuck are you talking about? The whole world is the devil's your country that you think is good and isn't, yeah, is part of the devil. And that's if you're a Christian, that's your lore, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_10 35:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:58

Satan offers it all to Christ. I'll give you the whole world.

SPEAKER_10 36:01

I mean, that's my mom's wave. She's like, everything is organized around just, yeah, Satan runs the world.

SPEAKER_05 36:06

So but I mean, I'm saying some basic bitch shit that's in the Bible that I'm not even telling you I'm a Christian that believes that.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:13

But I always got to correct Christians with their own fucking lore.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Did any of that make sense? I mean, I I heard it again. I listened to this a number of times, and it just doesn't make sense to me. What up, cattle?

SPEAKER_08 36:28

You cattle. Yeah, next. My Christianity, well, my interpretation of Christianity is the correct one. I'm gonna gatekeep you guys. Hate people more. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. The religion of love is hate to me, so I'm gonna make you do it.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

So later on in eclipse, I think he explains that a little bit more. I I don't know if we'll hit it in the clips, but I I think I know where he's coming with that, but I'm not even gonna try to explain it. I'll I if you want to watch the whole thing and figure it out, please be my guest. But I do believe, in all fairness to him, I do believe he explains that later towards the end of the podcast.

SPEAKER_08 37:11

I'm sure it's riveting.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

It it definitely is. But in when you first see this, like how can you be a Christian, not believe what the Bible says, and everything is run by Satan? I don't quite understand that. Then how is Christianity a thing? Period.

SPEAKER_13 37:34

Well, it's kind of like we talked about uh a long time ago that I don't know if it re-recorded or not, but we were talking about like the demi-urds and that Gnostic uh view, you know, of like you know, where yeah, where you get into like the cryptic Christians and stuff and like you know, all that kind of shit.

SPEAKER_08 37:56

Yeah, I think it's I hope that's not what he's talking about because it it would make it even more confusing.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Yeah, Brock, what you said I didn't hear in anything that he just said not at all. Gnostic demiurge. Yeah, I I is that a thing?

SPEAKER_08 38:19

Well, we should probably look that up, but so the concept is that there's the real God, and then the one that made the world was the bad, the baddie. And so we live in the baddies world, and everything that's material is baddie, and so you gotta you gotta escape the material man, and then you can get it.

SPEAKER_13 38:41

You gotta transcend, dude.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

You know what that sounds like? Huh? Scientology.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

Live in the now.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

Tell me about you guys have you guys televised Scientology at all?

SPEAKER_08 38:55

A good a good author, a good author knows how to study a lot of sources to get some really good ideas. A talented sci-fi author knows how to study geological sources to build a good framework.

SPEAKER_13 39:08

Um I don't own any anymore.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

I was just disappointed when I found out L. Ron Hubbard didn't write a space odyssey in 2001.

SPEAKER_13 39:16

Yeah, yeah, of course, dude. Good movie. Um, yeah, yeah. L. Ron Hubbard's, I don't even know if there's anything like yeah, I don't even know if I wanted to say anything about that. Yeah, that's probably not a word I want to talk about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Yeah, you don't need people coming to your door and asking what things you committed, right?

SPEAKER_13 39:37

Um, yeah, e-metering is rad, yeah, or whatever it's called. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_08 39:47

You've meter you, you can e-meter me, we'll e-meter each other.

SPEAKER_13 39:52

Well, I had one of the books of I found one of the books somewhere and how to do the interviewing, dude, and like the questions, dude. And it was like hilarious, dude. It was like a science classroom textbook, but it was like all these photographs of like people like staring like face to face and like doing all these super uncomfortable drills to like make people feel weird as fuck on the meter. It was it was so weird, but uh very, very interesting, dude. I actually just got rid of all my Scientology books not that long ago. I just I took them all out of my bookshelf because I'm going through all my totes of books. I'm like, yeah, I don't have a big library anymore where I need to be having these. These can go on somewhere else. And I brought them into the antique shop and they're all like, holy shit, were you a Scientologist? I was like, no, I just got a lot of the books, dude.

SPEAKER_08 40:51

They're very diverse interests.

SPEAKER_13 40:53

Yeah, dude. Oh yeah, I'd love any any weird group, dude. I gotta read, I gotta read the shit, dude. All right. Oh, dude, I'm in I'm reading into some wild the wild stuff, dude, is like uh like something that he's not even. I don't even know if I can talk about it on this show. Probably not, yeah. I was like, I was just gonna say, I was like, man, there's some really wild groups out there, dude, that are big in like Russia and other countries, dude.

SPEAKER_08 41:21

But um, yeah. Gotta get your sunglasses and your green hat on.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

That sounds like a special episode. All right.

SPEAKER_05 41:32

I'm like the devil. You never seen the interview with Vlad. Well, he wasn't no big, I like the devil. Crunchy Black. I saw Crunchy Black say that he also has gotten people to sign their soul to Satan so he'll be okay because he trades souls to Satan, so he doesn't. He's saying this like pretty uh matter of fact. I don't know who Crunchy Black is. It's not comic bookish, it's normal. All the normal shit's what's fucked up. Yeah. Yo, baseball is fucked up, dude. This is what it is. Boring for a reason. Baseball. Yeah, there's a they run a Masonic compass, it could dates back to ancient Egypt, the first day of spring, equinox. Almost exact proportions, bat and ball. When baseball was uh first invented, uh I don't know if I remember the guy's name, but Spaulding, the guy at the ball, the guy made the he took them on a tour of the world to popularize baseball. Okay, England, fucking uh India, another country that to this day are not into baseball, and uh then Egypt. They played a game on the first day of spring with the pyramids as bases. Did you know you can use the pyramids as bases in a promotional ball game?

SPEAKER_09 42:40

What?

SPEAKER_05 42:41

Yeah, I know that Ty Cobb was real. Uh uh Albert Pike fucking Mason, huh?

SPEAKER_13 42:47

That's wild.

SPEAKER_05 42:48

Hall of Famers, Ty Cobb, side.

SPEAKER_13 42:50

Where did Albert Pike get from the first one?

SPEAKER_05 42:53

Albert Pike is a Hall of Famer, it's all playing.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

No way. That's how far back the feeling. All right, okay. He's gonna get into something else, but let me touch on that. So, okay. Uh he Ty Cobb was a Freemason. That's why he he threw it in. I don't know where Albert Pike comes in. I you know, his mind just goes to different things, and that's probably what just came into his mind, and he threw it out there. You know, Freemasonry, Albert Pike. He couldn't get Freemason, he's a Freemason. Yeah, he was partying with Albert Pike and stuff. Okay, great. But all right, baseball did make it to Egypt, and there is truth into what he was saying that baseball was probably in Egypt before that. Well, the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians, played something similar, but it was nothing like what the game is today, or at that time in 1914. No, the pyramids were not used as bases. Okay, they spalding wrong all the baseball equipment. Equipment out to Egypt. They they played one game and it ended up being a 3-3 tie. And I think they tried to play a couple more games, but they couldn't because of the sand. And that was that.

SPEAKER_13 44:13

But just because Ty Cobb happened to be a Freemason, that's why he said there's a lot of uh I think all the baseball founders are tied into Masonry, right? I think one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's uh there's a Mason. I can't sorry, dude. Um, I know he runs a Masonic apparel company Two Pillars apparel. Uh he makes a bunch of like Masonic baseball and sports-inspired jerseys and stuff like that. And I believe he works for the baseball hall of fame, and he has a few Masonic papers that I've heard him lecture, I think, on Masonic Roundtable, about uh baseball and its history and founder and you know, all of that kind of stuff. And there is some links there, but I mean it wasn't like founded out of a conspiracy or for a conspiracy, you know. Um, it was around, you know, there were masons around the time and you know, at affluent positions that were able to have the time, you know, to do stuff like that. So they're the ones who carried it on and taught people and showed people and spread it. Um, that would be my guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 45:23

So we just had on Thursday our opening day themed night, and the education was on masonry and baseball. Very topical two days ago. A lot of the founders, or at least the main one, was a Mason. And the interesting thing was they didn't create baseball, they made what was already being played safe again or for the first time. So there was already a proto-baseball game happening with a larger ball, uh, they didn't wear gloves, uh, people were getting injured a lot, and they formalized it to be a packageable game that could be exported, right? And be safe and be professional, all that stuff. So they formalized the ball diamond shape, which people are like, that's kind of Masonic, and you're like, sure, it's also logical. So there might have been a like for geometry in there. Three strikes and you're out, things like that. So there's like potentially some Masonic um maybe inspiration here and there in the guy's mind. But at the end of the day, baseball was already being played. He just made it like a real game with like set rules and stuff like that. So there is some Masonic connection, but I don't think it goes back to each other.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

Okay, yeah, all right. Um, I don't know if you guys how big you guys are into baseball, but um the Ken Burns documentary, baseball, it it talks about some things in the early days of baseball. Now, there was rounders, but there was also a game called ball out there, and I guess it was something in between cricket and baseball, if I remember correctly. And it's funny because Ken Burns even says the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, his favorite game was ball.

SPEAKER_08 47:09

Wait, is there two A's in that ball? We're back, baby. Yeah, you know what my favorite thing that that dude said was it is unbelievable what comes out of people's mouths. When he said that, I was like, dude, look in the mirror. I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_07 47:30

Yeah, it's uh as he's doing a black scent, he goes, It's unbelievable what comes out of people's mouths, guys. And I was like, dude, you just did a black scent, like, and then making fun of that guy, I don't know who he is, but then just suddenly go, yeah, it's crazy what people say.

SPEAKER_06 47:47

You're like, yeah, it is, right?

SPEAKER_03 47:50

Oh, oh, oh, for for sure, for sure. Yeah, uh, I don't think there's a real big Masonic connection in baseball, other than it's a baseball diamond, and maybe it resembles a square and compass, but to me, it really doesn't.

SPEAKER_13 48:08

Yeah. Well, if you just there's like an image, yeah, there's like an image of the square and compass laid out with like the ball, and everybody just sees that and is like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. There it is.

SPEAKER_03 48:20

See, because there's lines that go up like this.

SPEAKER_13 48:23

It's the same how uh like widow sons have the piston in the square encompasses, you know, and people are like, yo, look at that, Harley Davidson man, he designed the the twin B. That's like Masonic Square and Compass. It's like, uh, I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_08 48:37

You know, every diamond is just a square encompass that we have.

SPEAKER_03 48:42

Yeah, it's right. So here's one more thing.

SPEAKER_05 48:47

This uh being in a secret fraternity and might be a problem goes back a long way. And and so imagine that, not libertarian, not it's called the fuck this fucking group party, the Freemasons, fuck you. Whoa, because they were a problem. Uh, don't forget Joseph Smith, who tried to take over America before he died. Remember, he was about to take over America. Yeah, he ran for president. Yeah, and he had an army, and um he just re-warmed over Freemason bullshit from the nine, from the Herod Agrippa 9.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

From the Herod Agrippa 9. Okay. Full circle. Okay. I know we talked about this uh off camera, but uh this is great. Um yeah, Joseph Smith, uh his army, and he almost took over America. Not even close.

SPEAKER_13 49:41

He how many men were in his militia, like a thousand?

SPEAKER_03 49:47

I'm sorry?

SPEAKER_13 49:48

How many people were in his militia? A thousand?

SPEAKER_03 49:52

Uh yeah, because in order to be a militia, you can only have like I think a certain amount. There are restrictions. So he didn't have an army, he had a militia. And this is back in Nauvoo, Illinois, 1844. Okay, okay. Joseph Smith died in 1844, June 24th, 1844, I believe it was. Uh, anyways, he was only on a couple ballots. He there's no way he didn't even get an electoral vote, he didn't survive long enough to even get there. And chances were, with the way everything was going uh with the Mormons and in Nauvoo at that time, he would have only gotten the votes from Nauvoo. There's no way he was about to take over America with a small militia which had problems and there they just didn't have the army. So, and this is where what I mean from the books I've read and everything, that what he's saying is partially true and partially false. Did Joseph Smith run for president? Yes. He didn't even make it to the election because he died. Did he have an army? No. Did he have a militia? Yes. Were they well armed? Yes. Were they armed to the teeth better than an army? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_13 51:15

Or were they all Masons though? They probably weren't all Masons.

SPEAKER_08 51:18

Joseph Smith was made a Mason two years before he died. Yeah. So, like, you know what I mean? Like, we can pretend like he's this whole thing. Yeah, he was a Mason for two years, and his militia was like between three and four thousand people.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

His father was well, well, they're they're not sure. The records are vague because there's another a number of Joseph Smiths at the time in Palmyra, New York, that were Freemasons. One of them, chances are his father was a Freemason. Hiram Smith was a Freemason before Joseph Smith was a Freemason. So he had some knowledge, and I'm pretty sure it was talked about, especially with the uh Morgan fever and the uprising with the anti-Masonic party being the first political, uh third political party in this country. So he knew some things. Did he go through the degrees before that? No. So there's some truth to it, but it's not 100% accurate what he's saying at all.

SPEAKER_07 52:27

Unbelievable things that come out of people's mouths, right?

SPEAKER_03 52:30

Right. You don't say um I got one more clip for well no, maybe two more. Let me get to this real quick.

SPEAKER_13 52:52

My thing is, is these guys never have any Freemasons on their show to like, you know. Hey, Sam Triple from Tinfoil Hat, he had one of his buddies as a Mason, and he had him on his show from Vegas, and um that guy like told the truth about Vegas Lodge, and it was a great episode. It was totally, I mean, he kind of embellished about like uh like uh he was kind of talking about how Masons will assassinate each other's character behind their back, and there's a like a lot of backstabbing for titles and shit like that, which is like uh there is sometimes, but it's not like he made it sound like every lodge is a fight for you know the master, you know.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

But more like every everyone's fighting. We're not taking damn.

SPEAKER_13 53:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for real. Yeah, pock me out.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

Yeah, all right. Let me all right. Thanks. Yeah, thank you for not voting for me. I didn't want the title anyway.

SPEAKER_05 54:00

So then he comes at, and so then in the Wi-Fi's version, they go, no one knows of this day. And then they show you the statue. They built a statue to him, so I bet he was. There's a statue to him. Oh, just a really wacky story. They use astrology as warfare on each other. Ronald Reagan, big astrologist. Hillary Clinton is big in. Remember, she channeled Eleanor Roosevelt in the White House to get, I don't know, lesbian fucking tips or something. Um my god.

SPEAKER_09 54:25

Um What do you think's happening with the astrology? What are they talking to? Well, these are people that trace their bloodline race, they call it.

SPEAKER_05 54:32

That's the Freemason table from the is this an act or is this real?

SPEAKER_03 54:36

Right? Oh, he said something about the Freemason. Oh, my bad. Sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 54:42

Story. They use astrology as warfare on each other. Ronald Reagan, big astrologist. Hillary Clinton is big in. Remember, she channeled Eleanor Roosevelt in the White House to get, I don't know, lesbian fucking tips or something. Um, there you go.

SPEAKER_09 54:57

Um, what do you think is happening with the astrology? What are they talking to?

SPEAKER_05 55:00

Well, these are people that trace their bloodline to the serpent race, they call it. That's the Freemasons say they're from the Sons of Cain. So it's some douchebag fucking story. I think it's from the Talmud too, or some horseshit about how uh Nahash the serpent, which is not Satan. Nahash is the serpent that tricked. Now, what does that mean, Nahash?

SPEAKER_02 55:23

I don't know. Yeah. This is like a free game.

SPEAKER_13 55:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 55:37

Okay. What is the astrology people who study astrology are polling? They're speaking to the snake as Freemasons call it. Hold on, we gotta we gotta put this in context to try to unpack what he just said. Hillary Clinton and Reagan are big into astrology. I don't know if either of that is true, but I've heard that. The lesbian tip, that was a joke. The lesbian tip was him doing a bit.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

That was probably the only truth he said in there.

SPEAKER_08 56:09

Yeah. Then he goes to what are they talking to? Which is a really strange question to ask when you hear someone say that they're into astrology. Um like it's a as if they're speaking to a specific thing. But, anyways, so then that thing, as the as the Masons describe it, yeah, is the snake kahosh from the Talmud, which he says BS anyways. But that's who they're talking to. God, I haven't got enough degrees to know that we talk about kahash. Yeah, I'm certain we don't, but yeah, so that's cool. I've never heard of that name.

SPEAKER_03 56:52

Yeah, have you ever heard of a bloodline thing? I mean, it within Freemason.

SPEAKER_08 56:57

Serpent people, just it's a serpent race, right? Like lizard people, is that what we're going into? Yeah, I am one. I don't recall.

SPEAKER_03 57:06

I I don't recall in our ritual. Uh I'm the only Freemason in my family that I can find through genealogy. So when did I make this transformation?

SPEAKER_08 57:23

You'll find out when you get to a higher degree.

SPEAKER_13 57:26

Yeah, I think I seen uh I seen Todd's eyes flicker into reptilian eyes at 33 minutes and 33 seconds in this video.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

So reptilian eyes. Yeah. Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_13 57:43

I don't know if that was pixels or he just totally did a face transformation, but I need to get reptilian software to interfaces.

SPEAKER_08 57:56

Is it bad that that whole video All I was thinking was, what would it be like if I was sitting in a bar and this guy was talking to me? Like, that's the whole thing I think about it. And I'd be sitting there just being like, uh I gotta get back to my friends. They'd be like, no, no, you don't hold on, hold on. You just keep going, you'd be like, okay, okay, I'm gonna go now.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

Like when does it I need to go take a piss so I can get the hell out of here?

SPEAKER_13 58:19

It's like when uh when I used to buy yeah, when I used to smoke cigarettes, dude, you go outside the bar and there's always one guy who's just out there smoking a whole pack of cigarettes out on the patio, the same guy all night, and every time you go out there, he tries to talk to you.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

Brock, Brock. Remember when we're in Louisiana? Okay, remember King Bowser? Yeah, yeah. So we our first night there in Louisiana, we go and Brock and I run into this guy who's in this like Bowser costume, this like run-down like Bowser costume. He's just in front of his car. He has two drinks in his hand, and he's just yeah, doing this, right? And the next day, literally the next morning, go out getting up for breakfast.

SPEAKER_13 59:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:13

We go, we looked for t-shirts because I'm looking for souvenirs, and the same guy is in the same place with drinks doing the same thing, and then he was out there again for the third night doing it.

SPEAKER_08 59:27

Yeah, it's hard when Princess Peach dumps you, man. Well, dude, we need to go up to him and ask for a quest.

SPEAKER_13 59:34

He was handing out quests, I bet. He was probably an MPC. Yeah, you just needed to get a quest.

SPEAKER_03 59:42

It was like he had not that castle.

SPEAKER_13 59:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

He he had PTSD from getting his ass kicked by small plumbers. I think dedicated to the game.

SPEAKER_13 59:57

Oh, dude, it was wild, man. I seen some shit there, dude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

Yeah, that was uh that was definitely a that was definitely a trip, and we ran into um one clandestine guy running the um what was he, the bouncer?

SPEAKER_13 1:00:14

Yeah, he was a bouncer, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

And he seen Marty's chain and hit us with every every sign under the book, dude.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:25

He was a Mason, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

Oh yeah, yeah, he's like he said that too, yeah. Dude, and then uh remember he was about chicks and then he's going through all the penalty signs as he's doing it.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say that was the the funniest thing that we and I think Marty told the story on here before, but yeah, he was behind this chick grinding on her, dude, doing the the hailing sign of distress. Something, yeah, probably, yeah. I think it'd be a video of her.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:55

Well, well, okay, there's video of me and Marty dancing, and the guy's like you don't see a lot of what he's doing, but he's like in the lower corner over here. Yeah, and me and Marty are up here dancing, yeah. So it's coming back.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:11

We get to Madison and uh we got that that drunk dude with the blonde wig on to say at be like, yo, you're watching at refreshment. Just this random hammered guy in a wig, dude. And he's like, You're watching at refreshment. He was so hammered, dude. We were just like, yo, can you do an intro for us?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

Oh yeah, it was uh it was college night down at uh where were we?

SPEAKER_13 1:01:42

Um it was downtown Madison, like State Street, like the night before Halloween, dude. It was crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

You guys are old me down there.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:53

We were way too old. We went into one of the clubs because it was like Alice in Wonderland, and uh we just stood in the corner, we're like, oh, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

Yeah, we tried boyhood oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

Do some recording.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:11

So I got one more clip uh for this video.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:21

Todd, would you like this fork to poke into your eye, or shall I do it in mine?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:26

Yeah, let me get one real quick. Do you need a drink? There you go.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:33

Do you need to go get something before this? No, no, no, I'm good. All right, all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:41

So the information's out there, but who's gonna get to see it? It's a very expensive book. Yeah, don't trust none of listen. If someone's like esoteric and they have a mystery for you, A A Ron from Seaworg, you know, grown up Scientology told me so many great things that apply to this. L. Ron Hulbert used to say, when you ask direct questions about well, what's scientists, he goes, feed him a mystery sandwich, he would say. So that's mystery school shit, but he's putting it in terms so you can understand. Right. You know, his disgraceful military record. I don't think that it was disgraceful. I think he was Intel that maybe went rogue or something. I think he got sheep dipped, and that's why they say he would he was actually in a Navy service is fake and this and that, but no, I think he's a real Bannon. Bannon created a lot of uh his LARPs didn't become religious. They want to make the the devotion without the religion. The religion's a problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:28

Because if you believe in the thing and I need you to pivot, how do I do it? You can't. I could do it with trending on Twitter, though, that worked pretty well, didn't it? And with pop stars and with fucking the Beastie Boys care about Tibet, but now they don't bring it up no more. They didn't like George W. Bush, but now they hate Trump the most. Oh, I'm gonna pivot with them because I like their songs and they're dancing and performing. There's your magic, there's your fucking fucked hard magic that makes everybody an idiot, right?

SPEAKER_13 1:03:57

Have any of you guys heard of Jay Dyer before? Uh no. My brain's a little deductive of it. Yeah, he fills in on the Alex Jones show every once in a while, and he's like um a more conservative, orthodox approach. Um, but uh he reads like all these old books of like um road uh road scholars and like uh old skull and bones people and like all these old books from like uh the early 1900s, and then like basically tries to track their ideas and where they all go or whatever. He's he's pretty knowledgeable, he doesn't talk a lot of bullshit, he brings the facts, but um he does a lot of crazy impersonations and hilarious voices when he does when he talks on conspiracy shows, and I'm like, yo, Kurt's definitely taking a Jay Dyer book here, man. This guy's trying out a lot of different voices here.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:57

Well, those are all in his head, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:05

So my particular thing with this clip wasn't necessarily that it was about Freemasonry, it's the idea that religion and I I know he said religion, but I'm gonna say belief. So is belief and magic really a problem in society today? And I would say this about magic. I'm not talking about you know, like fireball, yeah, yeah, like what Harry Potter would say, like, you know, the dark arts thing is decay. Magic can be something as simple as you know, a book coming to life for you. Now it's not a religious text, but it's just a story, and it really means something to you, and that can be quite magical. What we do in Freemasonry, I I'm not saying is magic, you're gonna see something there, you know, there's gonna be an appearance. Of this, that, or the other, but it can be quite magical in that the experience changes people for the better. They see life or in themselves in a different light. And I don't see that as being a problem, but obviously uh this individual sees that, sees it as being a problem. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_08 1:06:21

If you wanted to translate what he said into layman terms, he said these groups, whatever that means, uh want to have people who have beliefs but they're not religious, so you can pivot them like the Beefstea boys who didn't like J George W. Bush or Tibet, or they like Tibet and now they don't like Trump. So I don't know what that means on the end there, but essentially he was saying the way I viewed it is these groups are trying to teach people to have real beliefs that they can stand behind instead of oh dogmatic beliefs like I do. And so the thing is, is I have a fundamental issue with that because just saying you should just believe in the religion because that's what you should do to the full percent, and everything they say should be a truth, that's where you get manipulated, and that's a problem. And so I don't think there's anything wrong with having a spirituality included within your religion where you don't just say everything that they say is true all the time, and you're like, because you'd have to really put some blinders on not to see where those issues come in, and a lot of people have lived through those problems, right? And so I don't really understand what the hell he's talking about.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:41

I don't understand anything he said this whole time. I can't figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:59

Most of my family hates Trump with a fiery passion. Me, I kind of go away with it, but they didn't hate George W. Bush as bad. They didn't hate, you know, my my family's all Democrats, but you know, they didn't hate any other Republican, you know, president as bad as they hate Trump. And I think it's because he's trying to put in people are putting stuff on people's minds now that they weren't before. I think that's kind of why you're trying to say. People are just there's so much more against Trump and they're everywhere against any other Republican president.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:35

But that's because he's a different person. I might be wrong. You can hate more people than other people because you don't like other people.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:42

You don't you don't have to be an equal qualifying hate across the board on people, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:47

So, you know, it seems like uh Metzger here has a problem with politics and religion, but in Freemasonry, we can both those out. Yeah, and I I don't know if he knows that, but I think he's more in line with Freemasonry in that respect than he realizes.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:09

Dude, all the conspiracy theorists are they are all so much into the same mind as a lot of the Masons, because of we're all looking for truth, we're all looking to do the research, and like, you know, maybe not Kurt per se, but like some of those people do a lot of research and they trace down the rabbit hole and they want to know like they want to know the no, you know, and uh that's that's an honorable pursuit, dude. And I like that, I do that. So um, you know, that's what brought me to masonry is the mystery, dude. I I could only read and you know, do so much in the books, and then I I just, you know, once I found somebody that was gonna open the door for me, I'm like, oh shit, I can do this, you know, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:56

I actually disagree, West. I think what mess oh sorry, Todd, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:01

No, no, go ahead. I'm just making a comment. Go ahead ahead, Andrew.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:04

I was gonna say I disagree. I think what he was saying in that clip was that that's what upset him is that they're trying to create an order that does not that sets that can set their religious beliefs or their political beliefs beside to do something separate. That's how I interpreted him, being like, but you know, they're trading something that's more secular and leaving behind their religions, but that's not really the reality in Masonic experience, but it's the ability to work with people and to find common ground with people. But I think that was kind of what he was mad about is that he's like, You shouldn't find common ground with these cattle, you know what I mean? That's how I kind of viewed it from based on what he was saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:45

But in cattle is his term, I don't say it. Okay, I can see that, but he's also going on a pod this podcast and other podcasts as cattle to find people that agree with him that are gonna graze the same grass that he's grazing at, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:11:03

Right, yeah, he's doing stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:09

So I I I I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just looking too much what he's thinking about. I have no idea, but it's fun. I think it's rambling of a madman, but it is. Yeah. So okay, take that madman thing. We've we've all heard that in our Masonic ritual. If someone like this came to Lodge, how would you handle it?

SPEAKER_13 1:11:39

It would be wild, it'd be cool, actually. It'd be cool to show them around and look, there are no ritual daggers, there are no anything crazy, there aren't a bunch of robes for everybody in the room, dude. Uh we aren't wearing, you know, eyes wide shut masks and shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:59

And you know, I think Alder's not made enough sacrificing my own.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:04

Yeah, correct. I think that once you kind of see it and then you meet some of the guys, you're like, oh shit, yeah, this definitely isn't this isn't that can't it could never be that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:13

That's so I would tell them you can be light on it, but before I did that, I'd ask anybody, does anybody know if they had sex with their wives on this altar or anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

I did not. Holy smokes.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:34

But it but it doesn't really matter if you take them in the lodge, you show them everything, you have them read, you have them read your ritual, and they still won't believe you.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:43

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:44

You say to them, they've already made your mind up, and you know, I'm gonna think, well, you guys aren't high enough yet. Yeah, I've done several 33 new nations and they don't say nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

Right. Yeah, and I was being funny with what I just previously said, but the thing is, is that I mean, go ahead, test our altars for like baby boy, you know. I don't I don't know how how else to say it. Test them for all this stuff. Because if all if every conspiracy conspiracy theorist knew what they were talking about and it was true, it would be really easy to go to our lodges, yeah, and have the government shut us down if we're doing everything they say we're doing, like easy can't show them, you know, we're sacrificing babies. Okay, please show me the evidence and take all the tests you want. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, it because it doesn't happen. If it did, we'd we'd be shut down, and we would have been shut down years ago, especially in the 1800s.

SPEAKER_13 1:13:44

Well, I was gonna say, you got to think about uh the anti-Masonic party and why that was created in the Morgan affair, and like how many grand lodges shut down and how that almost killed Freemasonry, and it was just because of uh a biased trial. The community thought it was a bias trial. You know, it's like there was no proof that Masons actually killed this guy or that he even really disappeared, you know. So there's a lot of facts out there coming around now that you know he might have been alive and went to the Caribbean islands and had a whole family and like you know, all this other wild stuff, or like he went to Canada, and so it's like all of that could have just been of bullshit, and it was just um you know, a lot of misunder misinformation, and then you know, um smear campaigns reported in the papers being like the lawyer, the judge, and everybody's mason, you know, when it's like the jury was all masons. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:38

And the fact of the matter is, there is and has been naughty lodges before, too. Like the one that just came up in France. Like they're we're a human organization, but the thing is, is when a a a rogue lodge does something bad, usually the Grand Lodge will just pull their charter and be like, oops, apparently uh that's not great. Like uh those guys can go F off now because like they just like you know exist everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:08

Wouldn't that the uh Grand Order of France allows the atheists to be members?

SPEAKER_08 1:15:12

No, that one, no, that was a this one was a rogue group of yeah, so there's the regul the semi-regular masons that the Grand Lodge of England acknowledges, but then they had a schism, and then that schismed bodies lodge is the one that had that issue in the news recently. So if you want to start to try to unravel masonry in France, we'd need more time because it is it is a nest of things, it's just so many different, it's too confusing for even me to keep up with. I've looked it up, I know it, I don't want to talk about it, it's too lengthy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

My understanding is is I'm trying to look for it now, is that that particular lodge is a oh okay, here it is. Um, and this is from Courthouse News Service, dated Saturday, April 11th. All on behalf of a mafia network inside the former Anthor Masonic Lodge in the Paris suburb of QTAR or QTX QT?

SPEAKER_13 1:16:24

QT Here we go in all our voices.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:28

Yeah, I'm not even gonna try again, but yeah, I and I believe 40 of the or not 40, four of the 20 members of this particular offshoot lodge or former lodge were Freemasons. Now, does that excuse anything? No, but the thing is is that they wipe over that some of these guys had government jobs. Uh um, I'm looking for them now. Enforcement, espionage. Yeah, but it's the Freemasons who, you know, are actually doing it all. And if you're a Freemason and you know everything, you know damn well that you have no influence on anything. You're lucky if you can get the secretary to write you a letter that day.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:18

But that doesn't sell papers.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:20

No, I was gonna say this is something that there's another dude, uh, Austin Picard, who's a very good researcher, but uh he his whole thing when he talks shit on Freemasonry and these kind of lodges is basically he writes them up like you were just saying, Andrew, about uh like espionage and stuff, how they will infiltrate these lodges to sway political views or to uh you know corrupt people or try to do different shit to change you know policies or uh swing on things or deals or effects of all kinds of stuff. But uh, you know, it's a mafia. That's an illegal activity that these guys are doing, and it's that's not Freemasonry, you know. So uh I think that dude always says it's like part of like a pro uh Gladio, you know, they'd set up these networks, these wolf networks, and they could basically start these cells and activate them all over the world, you know, based off of uh, you know, they claim that they sprouted out of or they still keep them in Masonic groups or things like that. But I would say, where's the proof on that?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:27

I think that's probably if it exists, which I'm not very certain it does, it would be in continental masonry because they do they allow political activism within their lodges. So that would be something that if there was nefarious espionage agents, they would be more like, oh, I can actually have an influence here. Whereas in our lodge, they couldn't come in and do that as easily because we ban the discussion of politics and religion in lodges.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:53

Isn't it isn't it the human thing that once you find out one person is a member of this group, you blame the whole organization for everything that person is guilty of? Yep.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:04

Well, and that's kind of the thing, you know, that uh you send a negative, bad, corrupt apple and you put them into a good system for that sheer reason to discredit it all and be like, well, look at this one guy, he's a negative person, he was connected to all this, and you're like, Well, dude, he just discredited all the good that we all have done for so long because this one bad apple was put in here. And what what was his agenda? Was he put in here purposely to set this up, or was this a goal? Or how did this never, you know? It's one thing to say, oh, it's a lodge, but like what happened to the lodge? Was it always like that? Did it get infiltrated? It's like officer lines change all the time, you know. Um, is it just a guy got in there and he brought in his group of friends that are all in the mafia, you know, and then that broke the lodge off, you know? Um, it's not like this is a sanctioned thing by someone to be like, oh, let's start this, you know. It's like I just yeah, the connections to it, I just don't get where the world domination in these connections and like how and the the connection to they, you know, it's they then there's the higher they yeah, yeah. It's nice to have a mythical boogeyman, but oh yeah, yeah, it it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:21

You know, yoga. There there is no story with without a good villain, is there?

SPEAKER_13 1:20:27

No, dude, it's like uh like uh what was that uh remember uh inspector gadget, dude? He had the bad guy, the the Dr. Claw?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:38

Yeah, Dr. Claw, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:20:39

Yeah, he was just always trying to conquer the world, but these pesty kids, dude, are always following his plans.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:46

Yep. If I didn't have a mythical boogeyman to blame for all my problems, then I'd have to accept that I'm the problem, and that ain't gonna happen. So I'm gonna find someone else to blame.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:59

Yeah, right. I'm perfect either way. Um everyone else is the problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:03

Yeah, I was like, I'm probably part of the problem. Yeah, yeah. I'm perfect. Ask all my ex-wives. Yeah, all right. Well, uh, I think that's bringing us to the end of our episode. I mean, guys, obviously stick around uh for a little bit after the episode. Uh, but uh you guys got any final words before we come to shout out and shots out?

SPEAKER_13 1:21:28

I'm gonna give my shout out to uh Kurt Metzger, dude. Thanks for uh giving us a show topic tonight, homie. Yeah, shouts out and shout out, dude. Uh please leave comments. John, you got anything?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:47

Uh just trying to keep track of what this guy's talking about is garganed feet. I mean, it's I try to listen while it was bone grass, and I had to go back and stop bone grass and go back and try to hear it again, and it was it's rambling of a madman, basically. A guy who he has you know strong opinions about one thing or another, but he can't keep it straight in his head. He can't explain them right. So it's it's entertaining for a little bit, but I like I say I wish that these hosts of these podcasts would question these guys a little bit further instead of just going, Oh, really? Yeah, okay, great. Yeah, good. You know, get a little feedback here. Ask these guys, hey, what do you mean by that? You know, I don't understand what you're talking about. Yeah, you know, it's the same thing with Sean Ryan, just sitting there listening to that guy ramble, you know, bad Freemasonry. Okay, you badmouth all you want, but if you're not gonna challenge the guy, you're just as dumb as he is. It's not dumber. That's all I got.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:59

I would like to say, Mr. Mesker, after a thorough review of clips from your video, at no you they were some of the most idiotic and insane things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent speech were you ever close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this podcast is now dumber for having listened to it. I will award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:37

You're getting the blue in the blue, man.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:39

You're getting the blue listening on this, my man. Yeah, that was perfect. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:43

A simple no would have sufficed.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That that that's a good one. I mean, I I shout out to the conspiracy theorists. Who else would keep us entertained in the internet world when you know the regular TV is getting boring?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:05

Yeah, I did I didn't tell my daughter I'd give her a shout-out tonight because here's the Ava. Because she had to put up with me all day. So Ava.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:20

I'll give my shout-out to my co-broast uh Matt. Uh I think this podcast episode with this conspiracy guy would have made him severely disassociate. So he would have done the mat where he just slowly just starts crawling into his mind and he's like, nope, no more of this guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:46

Yeah, he just disappeared. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:57

Well, you know, we're uh hoping to make this a regular reception. Yeah, right. What is going on here? Uh like I said, we're hoping to make this a regular thing to be doing reviews. I Saturday seems to be like a good night if uh you know we'll see who's around and everything. But uh yeah, this is how uh some of the episodes are gonna go. We're hoping you're enjoying it. If you have any comments, please leave them. If there is a certain video you want us to review, please leave that as well. Leave the link. Yeah, please. That will help. If not, uh just let us know what it's about. We'll see if we can find it. And I mean, that's all I got. Anyone else got anything before we kick this off?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:39

I want to tell Andrew I really enjoyed your uh you guys episode AI. Uh last one you guys put out. That was really interesting. Thanks, Todd. Thank you. Yeah, we might discuss in the future on that because I use a lot of AI for Masonic education because I'm just not good at typing crap out. So I give a subject that types it out for me.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:00

So Matt used it the other day to help him design a traveling schedule so he could hit every lodge in the district within a calendar year that reminds him when the last time he had been there is cool. All this good information. So there's there's a lot of cool, like very applicable lodge things that AI can help you build out. Things can be helpful.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:23

The AI guy that you guys uh interviewed was that Ask Hiram or whatever with the AI minute, or it has your it has your uh monitor in AI, so you can ask the monitor, you know, questions on rules or bylaws or anything, you know, and it shoots at you an answer right away. No looking, no nothing, and it gives you like other keywords that uh, you know, other bylaws that could reference or be similar to. I'm like, dude, that is amazing. And a reference where you can click and bring up the page.

unknown 1:26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:58

Yeah, they were promoting that at our last friend live. We'll see if they're gonna do it this year. Yeah. So maybe that's up. We'd love to talk about it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, everyone, that is Root Egg. Uh once again, please like, comment, and subscribe. It'll help us tremendously. Thank you for watching, and we will be back.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:00

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